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omicron3000
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Posted: 18:06 on 06-17-2008
I am having trouble finding divorce records. Divorces are the number one reason for motivated sellers. Problems thus far are the following:
1.)called lawyers, many already claim they work with enough people already buying their homes
2.)Call my local city hall, and was denied divorce records, due to the fact that I was not the attorney representing the cilents, and that the records were impounded
3.)City Hall employees are usually not friendly to work with, and in the past attempted to get info about other properties that were not divorce, and a highly verbal altercation occured
4.)Most list brokers I've called claim they are unable to do this type of search, due to me having to know who I looking for
Note: Already know that divorce records, are listed on either Divorce Decrees, Notice of Equitible Distribution, or Dissolution of Marriage
Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, having the same problem with Probate property as well. Realtors I know do this all the time, and I should be able to as well.
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Posted: 18:23 on 06-17-2008
Our Title Search guy seems to have no problem getting into the confidential files which contain Divorce and Probate info. We get copies of that data all the time from him.
Maybe you need to develop a relationship with a title search Pro.
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investor59
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Posted: 21:25 on 06-17-2008
Are you sure their in city hall? Where I am, divorces are filed with the county and are public record, accessible to anyone. I can use the public computer (or pay for a subscription for home access) to check my county courthouse's Laredo--that's just one kind of software--data. You might want to pay an atty or check your statutes, or research them yourself, maybe they're restricted where you are, though they shouldn't be.
Have you tried the "gee, I hope you can help me...it's my understanding that divorces are matters of public record, but I don't know exactly how to find them, how exactly does your system work...?" If you act dumb, it's natural that people want to help you, it works for me all the time. If not, or your public officials are just plain abrasive, only then would I look into enforcing your right to access public records. Their what you pay taxes to collect, and you (in most places) have a right to see them.
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omicron3000
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Posted: 13:05 on 06-18-2008
I am have called my local City Hall, several times, and was told the same answer. My municipality bldg, is called City Hall, but may be called something else in different areas or regions. My real estate is targeted within the Philly, PA area (1st capital of US).
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On 2008-06-17 21:25, investor59 wrote:
Are you sure their in city hall? Where I am, divorces are filed with the county and are public record, accessible to anyone. I can use the public computer (or pay for a subscription for home access) to check my county courthouse's Laredo--that's just one kind of software--data. You might want to pay an atty or check your statutes, or research them yourself, maybe they're restricted where you are, though they shouldn't be.
Have you tried the "gee, I hope you can help me...it's my understanding that divorces are matters of public record, but I don't know exactly how to find them, how exactly does your system work...?" If you act dumb, it's natural that people want to help you, it works for me all the time. If not, or your public officials are just plain abrasive, only then would I look into enforcing your right to access public records. Their what you pay taxes to collect, and you (in most places) have a right to see them.
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Posted: 15:59 on 06-18-2008
if you're willing to pay a subscription fee, westlaw has this data too.
I tried talking to the product manager at westlaw about creating a "real estate investors" package. still in the wind.
This docket is current through 03/15/2005.
Current Date: 06/18/2008
Source: MACOMB COUNTY, 16TH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT, MICHIGAN
NAME INFORMATION
PLAINTIFF Name: BENNETT, CARL JONES
DEFENDANT Name: BENNETT, MARY EVELYN
FILING INFORMATION
Date Filed: 05/20/2002
County Filed: MACOMB
State Filed: MICHIGAN
Case Number: 2002-002864-DM
Case Type: CIVIL
Case Subtype: DIVORCE, MINOR CHILDREN
KNOS: FAMILY & DOMESTIC RELATIONS; DIVORCE; WITH CHILDREN (160.20.05)
Case Status: CLOSED
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laurian
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Posted: 18:14 on 07-05-2008
In suburban Chicago public records are kept by county. I have gone to the county clerk's office in various counties and easily obtained the files for divorces and probates. As investor59 said, these are public records and you have a right to examine them. First find out where these records are located. Then tell the government employee who has the records that you want to file a freedom of information act form so you can get access to the records. You should not have to do that, but it may help. If that still doesn't work keep going higher and higher in the government bureaucracy -- you will eventually get to someone with authority. You can also ask one of your local politicians to help.
It is extremely tedious to go through those records, and it would be better to buy them from a list provider. There has got to be someone who will sell a list for the Philly area. Conduct an internet search for list providers or look in your Yellow Pages. Trouble is they usually want you to pay for 500 records at a time, and there are not that many current records.
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dnosy1
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Posted: 02:58 on 07-27-2008
Phlly is the county seat. Get to the county building ask for the clerk of the courts-she/he will direct you to the right place. Easier way is to find the local law journal (newspaper). Most all filings are in that paper. What lawyers read in the morning. Here in Chicago costs are heavy $300-400 a year. But has everything you need-Probate, divorce, tax delq, tax liens, NOD, and foreclosures.
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Posted: 14:24 on 07-28-2008
it is a matter of public records - be consistent, if neccessary speak with a supervisor.
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omicron3000
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Posted: 18:00 on 07-29-2008
Thanks for all of the information, especially info about the law journal which I was not aware of. I have called my local City Hall, and have gone into almost physical confilcts with local city officials to obtain this information, especially with a certain local security guard. I will keep you all posted.
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Posted: 04:25 on 09-07-2008
You might try a different angle and go here... http://courts.phila.gov/ and look under online service. There are civil court dockets that may contain info. Also, choose the child support link, setup an account and see who's getting child support. Also, criminals going away for awhile might need to sell a house. For probate, check the obituaries.
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Posted: 14:20 on 09-07-2008
Thanks for the info. I have attended this site previously. And also, most of the records present are several days or years old. And the Freedom of Information, does not allow me to obtain this kind of info unfortunately. Probate properties, I have looked at as well, but the key to making money with properties involving a recently deceased loved one is to be there before probate is filed, not after mainly due to the fact, that the state and city hit them with so many fees, that usually a probate lawyer will just settle the matter concerning their estate.
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You might try a different angle and go here... http://courts.phila.gov/ and look under online service. There are civil court dockets that may contain info. Also, choose the child support link, setup an account and see who's getting child support. Also, criminals going away for awhile might need to sell a house. For probate, check the obituaries.
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Posted: 23:22 on 09-21-2008
In my county you can access the Family court schedule online. It doesn't say they are divorce proceedings, but if it's Mrs Jones vs Mr Smith it probably is. The next hurdle is getting the contact information. The furthest I went was to look up their names in a phone directory and build a call list. I was only able to find 20% this way. However you best friend in all this will likely be the county clerk. If you have a docket numbers, or name(s) to reference there is probably contact information that you should have free access to.
Hope that helps
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Posted: 22:27 on 11-20-2008
The property is usually settled before the divorce is final so it's hard to get detailed information.
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