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Negative Cash Flow Multifamily

ceebo44
2008-11-19 21:07

When is it ever ok to buy a negative cashflow large multifamily unit of ex. 200-300+ units? What would be the cause of a large multifamily property to cash flow negatively? I know every situation is different but are there any common thing that a new owner can do to turn around a property that is 50 or 51% occupied? Thanks for all input


cjmazur
2008-11-19 22:47

it could be crappy management
Expensive management... had a case where the opex was 94%. No wonder it was in foreclosure and and sole at a huge discount.

[ Edited by cjmazur on Date 11/20/2008 ]


ceebo44
2008-11-20 06:28

But would you ever purchase a multifamily property with negative cashflow if you knew the management was bad and knew that your management team could perform extremely better?
Because someone else terribly managed a property and it goes into foreclosure, then sold for a great discount. To me someone with good management could stand to make a hell of a lot of money with a reposition. I've read on this message board never to buy negative cash flow property but to me I see opportunity. Any comments?


MAT3Sigma
2008-11-20 11:28




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On 2008-11-20 06:28, ceebo44 wrote:
But would you ever purchase a multifamily property with negative cashflow if you knew the management was bad and knew that your management team could perform extremely better?
Because someone else terribly managed a property and it goes into foreclosure, then sold for a great discount. To me someone with good management could stand to make a hell of a lot of money with a reposition. I've read on this message board never to buy negative cash flow property but to me I see opportunity. Any comments?



Seems like the classical technique to make money in commercial real estate- Find a property mismanaged and undervalued and turn it around. If it's only 50% occupied, I'd certainly expect it to have negative cash flow. Make sure you do your homework and know the rent values and demand for similar apartments. Also, identify any sources of high expenses.

AT


cjmazur
2008-11-20 14:08

Yes.

In this case they got the note for like 40/100. So w/ that buffer, and a high occupancy, I saw this as a turnaround property.


commercialking
2008-11-27 16:12




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On 2008-11-20 06:28, ceebo44 wrote:
But would you ever purchase a multifamily property with negative cashflow if you knew the management was bad and knew that your management team could perform extremely better?



Yes, this is the key to turnaround deals and turnaround deals (and development deals) are where the real money is made. But you better be sure that you are a better manager than the last guy. Failure to get the thing to turnaround is a formula for disaster.

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I've read on this message board never to buy negative cash flow property but to me I see opportunity. Any comments?



I think the advice is to never by LONGTERM negative cash flow. Don't count on the neighborhood getting better while you feed the alligator. The only time to buy negative cash flow is when you know YOUR activities will turn it around.


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