Investing In Land-Robert J. Abalos

I have defended Mr Abalos in the past. Well the egg is on my face.

I ordered his material a month ago & I still haven't received it. Also, he advertised his Los Angeles seminar on June 4th & 5th as sold out.

Well, I went there this morning & the Hotel informs me that he never confirmed a reservation for a seminar & there were 2 other suckers and me in the Lobby wondering how we fell for this. Anyway I called my credit card company & the will remove the charge thank god.

Anyway stay away from this guy. I am usually pretty good at using my BS detector. I better recalibrate.

I ordered his book via amazon, not directly from him, hope it arrives soon.

The review I read is positive about the book itself.

well, no logistics problem when ordering thru amazon.
mine came 2 days later.

content was a major disappointment to me. no case studies with substance, no examples you could apply to a real opportunity. just a sea of words.

read the reviews on amazon.

however, that should not distract you from pursuing the subject .

Land investments can be great.

The strategy is simple, execution is difficult and patience is a must.
Buy in the "path of progress". That made John Astor (!) the first real estate tycoon in the country in the late 1700s.

The path of progress can be long winded or short. Examples for the latter are eg. Flagler County in FL where lots ($50 - $200k) in a particular large development doubled in 1 year or tripled in 2-3. All verifiable thru the Flagler County Prop Appraiser website.

At any rate, I'd put my (!) minimally required rate of appreciation at 30% a year for developed lots. It will triple your investment consisting of 10% down (yes that's doable these days) and ongoing debt service plus taxes within 3-4 years.

For raw land, you need much higher appreciation, much higher investments (down payments up to 50%) and even more patience. However, you can force appreciation to a degree if you improve the land (eg. take care of water, sewer, streets, utilities .. )

Either way, with land, it's hard to draw the line where investment ends and speculation begins. Mostly it's the latter.

How do you execute the "path of progress" strategy ?

If you're a pro, you'll order a feasibility study from other pros specializing in researching/surveying areas regarding demographics, prices and the (forecasted) change between the two.

If you aren't, you'll have to do your own research. It's cumbersome but possible. Identify and track prices of new communites. Look beyond areas that are already priced in the sky because neighbouring areas will become targets. Example: the progression from Naples, Fort Myers, Cape Coral. Lots are "flying of the shelves" in the Cape according to the local news as the other 2 cities are basically sold out.

FYI,

Apparently his Houston & Atlanta seminars have been "rescheduled". Coincidence? According to his office there was a security issue at the Los Angeles seminar & the venue was moved. I'm still waiting to find out where this alternate location was.

I would cancel the credit card charge & then, when the new dates are announced. Purchase tickets closer to the seminar date. If you keep the charge on there past 60 days , you may have a tougher time contesting it with your credit card company to get it reversed.

Hi. I responded to a similar post you made about Robert Abalos. Just in case you missed you, you should get your money back from your credit card company immediately.

Robert Abalos is a con man and scam artist.

He is not a licensed attorney in Washington State. You should report him to the bar association if he is threatening legal action against you.

Do some searches on him online and you will see many people have had problems with this thief.

A good way to make sure he's properly investigated is to report him to the FTC. Go to their website and file a complaint against him. He is a one man company, it won't be long before they shut him down.

[ Edited by r_starr on Date 06/16/2005 ]

This is a total disgrace. Moderators, where are you? This good man is being savaged here first by people posing as Mr. Abalos himself and now by someone pretending to be Ron Starr. Isn't calling someone a "con man" and a "fraud" a violation of posting rules here? Mr. Abalos has never claimed to be a lawyer in Washington State. He's a lawyer who runs a real estate company there. When will the lies about this man cease? He runs the most professional real estate organization in the country right now. He's sold more books around the world than anyone else. His seminars are superb. His website provides more information for free than all the paid sites out there combined. Our company has placed dozens of orders with his company without a single problem. He's lectured to our sales associates twice. The people posting lies here must be competitors because no one can be that misinformed.

Oh and even the review above by someone is false. The poster claims that Mr. Abalos' book Investing in Land has no case studies in it. Wrong. I counted them because I own the book. It has nineteen of them. It's one of the finest real estate books ever written but I can explain why some people might not like it. There's no get rich quick formulas in it. It is solid and truthful real estate information with no hype or BS. Very professional and step by step.

I've also been investigating these "people" who are claiming to have had problems with Mr. Abalos' products. Isn't it funny how they are all posting anonymously at the same time? The truth is one person is running around the Internet posting lies and then pointing to all of them in some sick effort to build a case. Again, where are the moderators on these forums? Why not post your real name so Mr. Abalos knows who to sue? Coward!

Thanks for the posts Mbattla. The mods are very much here and active.

I agree with Ron, please let us know what your company is and where you are, etc. so that we can verify your connection to Mr. Abalos.

For the record, please go to this website:

http://www.thebbb.org/commonreport.html?bid=22005362

Interestingly, the BBB link above shows they opened their file on this company in July of 2004, no more than a month after said company opened it's doors for business. I took the time to personally call the BBB about this company today. Terra Realty International LLC is not a member of the BBB and they confirmed the only reason they would open a file on the company was b/c they received complaints. Unfortuantely their data base is not available for public viewing yet nor at their finger tips, to see what the actual complaints were. According to the representative I spoke with today, that should be available August/September of this year.

For proof that Terra Realty International LLC filed with the secretary of state on 6/18/04 please click on this link:

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?name=TERRA+REALTY+INTERNATIONAL+LLC&ubi=602406168

Further searching the Sec. of State site above shows that Mr. Abalos is not the registered agent for any other company within the state of Washington.

I don't know this guy Mr. Abalos whatsoever. I do know that we get regular complaints about him and reports of deceptive practices. I have looked at his website. I personally disagree it is the most informative site out there. Personally, I know someone can come here to the development forum at TCI and get a ton of very free advice from some very experienced people....no membership or course required. Further, I dispute your arguement that Mr. Abalos has sold more books than anyone. Last time I checked, I did not see his name as the #1 all time selling book in the history of the world. In my opinion, it might do Mr. Abalos well to research what that book is and who that author is as I believe the contents of that book would be an asset to Mr. Abalos and would be a handy guidebook for his personal and professional behavior. Of course, that goes for everyone, not just Mr. Abalos.

perhaps this guy is legit, I don't know. I do know he had complaints about his company within a month of getting started and people come here and complain. I will let the public make their own conclusion.



[ Edited by woodsong on Date 06/16/2005 ]

[ Edited by woodsong on Date 06/16/2005 ]

A complaint was made in reference to this post being arguementative. We moderators are here to try to keep civility in the forums, we are not here to censor objectionable views.


I do not see this post as being arguementative.
I personally will let it stand, if any of the other moderators feel differently then they can address it.

I do ask that those with differing views treat one another with respect.

NC_Yank - moderator

NC_Yank,

I agree with you -- just because people have differing opinions does not necessarily mean that the post breaks the "argumentative" rule. I, too, feel that the post should stand, and I would like to thank woodsong for doing some "due diligence" here.

Nancy

Why don't you moderators address the real issues here?

First, you have someone posing as Ron Starr posting here. He's not Ron Starr. We all know who Ron Starr is and this guy isn't him. There is a history of people impersonating other people on this board and the fact it is openly tolerated is an embarrassment.

Second, stop mischaracterizing the issues. Mr. Abalos has never said he's sold the most books in history. That's a lie and you are telling it. His book has sold in more than 80 countries, a remarkable accomplishment for an author of a real estate book. It proves the international reputation he has an an investor and writer. When CNN or Fortune magazine needs a spokesman on land issues, they don't call you they call him.

Third, do you honestly think I'm going to give my company name on this board when I see how this man is being slandered and attacked? Can I look forward to threats at the office for defending him? There are some truly twisted people on this board. What I know is that you permit people to throw around terms like con man and scam artists when you yourself claim you don't know that truth. Not only is that unfair, it's hostile and that is not what this board is supposed to be about.

None of you have even read this man's book. I have.

If you disagree with Mr. Abalos and his message then debate that. But these unfounded personal attacks are mean spirited and everyone sees that, except the moderators.

I'm checking back and I see that the poster defending Robert Abalos didn't adequately address my questions to him. If you attended seminars hosted by Abalos last month you can provide details on the venue and dates very easily. But you have skirted the question because there were no seminars held!

The poster who is defending him is indeed Robert Abalos but he has been run off multiple real estate message boards and has no credibility so he has chosen to pretend to be a "friend" of Robert Abalos.

There are many many complaints against his company on the interntnet and with the Better Business Bureau. The posts here alone from numerous posters prove that he has not operated an honorable business in the very short time he has been in operation. The complaints here will save many people the grief of dealing with this con man. Think twice before ordering anything from this person's website.

You know this poster is Robert Abalos, who else would defend such a ludicrous statement that they are biggest seller of real estate books in the history of publishing. That is plain ridiculous. Better tell Donald Trump this news.

Remember, anyone can have a website these days. Even theives.

One final note. If you go to Robert Abalos's website he claims to be a real estate attorney and consultant for over 20 years or was it 25 years?

Yet he first formed his company last summer from what woodsong found out and it's a fact he is not even a licensed Washington state real estate attorney so he can't even legally practice law!!

What does this tell everyone about this person's honesty and integrity???

I just saw this thread - I had started a different one in the Wholesaling forum.

All I can speak about is my own personal experience. I don't think that extrapolating that experience is helpful, but I can see from other posts on this and other sites that a fair number of people have had a similar experience.

Here's the issue for me: I felt an affinity for Mr. Abalos's material, so I ordered from him on three separate occassions. Trying to get the product on each occassion has been a hellacious and emotionally draining experience. Right now I'm feeling that I don't care how good the information is, it's simply not worth what I have to go through to get it.

I've sent several emails over the last week trying to get the magazine I paid for in February, but have received no response. Why is that?

I don't know why it's been so difficult to get my products - is it deliberate? indifference? incompetence? I don't know. I just know something, at least for me, has been very wrong. At this point, I'm just leaving it up to the authorities to figure it out.

As an FYI, according to my information, Mr. Abalos was indeed an attorney in Virginia, but was suspended from the VA BAr in 2000:

Please see the very first name on the list on the first page:

http://www.vsb.org/publications/valawyer/jan01/admin_suspensions.pdf

According to the VA Bar staff, he was reinstated when he paid his dues but has been suspended again as of this March for failure to complete the required continuing education classes. Thus, he is not a member of good standing in the VA Bar. This is all public information....

Again, I don't know this guy, I only see what my research is showing. This, along with other data, appears to indicate something is amiss. It is very curious to me that there is no real phone number for Mr. Abalos on his website. He has a 1-800 number that only leads you to a voice recording where you can either place a new order via a 3rd party answering service or leave a voice mail for a return call. It appears there is no way to actually call and speak to anyone directly on staff at this company. For me, this insulation buffer Mr. Abalos has created between himself and the clients he serves is problematic. If one does have a genuine concern or complaint, it appears that you would be at their mercy to have an actual conversation or to work out a resolution. Who knows, maybe they are really responsive and the barrier isn't an issue. I have not ordered any materials to test it out.




[ Edited by woodsong on Date 06/17/2005 ]

[ Edited by woodsong on Date 06/17/2005 ]

Good to see this thread is no longer locked.

Larry, what form of payment did you use to buy this magazine? It sounds like you didn't use a credit card. If this company sells seminars and products that don't exist its not unreasonable to assume this magazine was never published to begin with. Have you seen anything tangible that proves a single issue was ever published?

Please note that the person posting under the handle r_starr is not me.

I feel that Mr. Abalos has a very valuable website in his www.investinginland.com website. He offers many free articles there and adds new ones from time to time.

I disagree with him on a couple of theoretical issues related to investing.

However, he is willing to say that making money with real estate requires a lot of knowledge and effort, which is my position also. He is straight-forward, not trying to trick you with nonsense like Carleton Sheets, Robert Allen, and many other supposed "gurus" of real estate investing and real estate merchandising.

I have read his book on investing in land. What he says there makes a lot of sense to me, althought I am not a specialist in land investing.

Sometimes he seems a little abrasive. However, I much prefer somebody who is a little less than smooth and is honest. Who tells it like it is. There are very few authors of real estate investing educational materials that truly make a contribution to our thinking in the area. Robert Abalos is one of them.

If you are looking for somebody to stroke you with how easy it is to get rich with real estate, then you may not like Robert Albalos information. If you want an experienced person's views of what it takes to succeed in his specialty, you might well want to see what he has to say.

Good Investing*************Ron Starr**************

Ronald Starr. Good to see this post brought you to the board since it looks like you haven't posted here in many months. Unfortunately your boilerplate response didn't address the primary issues and concerns of the posters on this thread and is off topic.

Offering free personal opinions on a website is something we are all entitled to but offering these opinions with the intent of also pursuading someone to give you their hard earned money in exchange for the promise of selling products that you will not or knowingly can not ship or provide is sinister and a crime.

In addition, misrepresenting oneself's credentials and background to sell said products is not a crime but it is just plain unethical and dishonest. Attorney's have a moral and regulatory obligation to operate day to day with the upmost integrity. The attorneys I've had the pleasure of working with over the years have always been some of the most honest and ethical people I've ever met, except for one....

Since you've tried to take this thread off topic I will do the same. So Ron, what are your ties to Robert J. Abalos?

[ Edited by r_starr on Date 06/18/2005 ]

Here is an update since I just received some new input from www.investinginland.com.

Some background;

I've placed 3 separate orders with www.investinginland.com.

1. The first order they claim to have shipped 3 times before I finally recieved a copy (which means 2 of the 3 were "lost in the mail")

2. The second order didn't ship at all until, after 1 month, I sent a threatening email. I then received that order 5 days later.

3. The third order, the magazine, placed on Feb 25, I've never received, which means it was also "lost in the mail"

Here are most of the emails I've received from www.investinginland.com about the magazine. Please note the dates I received these emails (According to their website, the magazine was supposed to ship on March 31st. I've added the bold);

From: investinginland
Subject: Re: Magazine Order Inquiry
Date: April 18, 2005 2:56:29 PM EDT

Some issues have shipped, others are about to ship. We had a printer problem, common with new publications. Your issue is either in the mail or hitting the post office soon.


From: investinginland
Subject: Re: Magazine Order Inquiry - Still not received - 2nd request
Date: May 3, 2005 7:23:32 PM EDT

We'll ship you another copy in a few days. We have them on backorder. If the first still arrives, please contact us.


From: www.investinginland.com
Subject: Re: Since you're at your computer
Date: May 18, 2005 3:27:46 PM EDT

We have extended your subscription by one issue and will send you another copy of the original issue when again in stock. It is on backorder. I believe I told you this about ten days ago. I'm sorry if you did not receive my message.


From: www.investinginland.com
Subject: Re: Product Still Not Received - PLEASE RESPOND
Date: June 17, 2005 5:43:04 PM EDT

You are writing about a single lost issue of a magazine. We have told you on at least eight occassions two things:

1. We have extended your subscription one issue to make up for the fact you claim not to have received the original issue and:

2. We will ship you a free replacement when we have one available. We can't run to Kinko's and print you a single copy. We don't have any previous issues in stock. We have to put in a minimum order for 1,000 copies and we're not ready to do that yet.

From: investinginland.com
Subject: Re: Product Still Not Received - PLEASE RESPOND
Date: June 17, 2005 5:46:01 PM EDT

I would also like to add one other point. You did not purchase a product from us like a book or CD which we can carry in stock and ship any day of the week. You purchased a magazine subscription where issues are only produced and printed four times a year. We don't have any "product" to use your term to ship because it hasn't been produced or printed yet. Do you
understand the difference?


Interesting stuff.

One note: I've been at my current address for 2 years. I currently subscibe to seven magazines. I've never lost a single issue of any of these magazine. Additionally, I buy most things except food online from numerous popular vendors and have never lost a single order.

What are the chances of three orders being lost in the mail from a single vendor over a period of 4 months?

You can make up your own mind about all of this.



[ Edited by larrylef on Date 06/19/2005 ]

Larry.

The products you received already, aren't they just a pile of photo copied papers that he's trying to sell as books? Why would the "magazine" be anything different thank a new pile of photo copied pieces of paper stapled together?

Look, we already know the guy has no issue with lying. He's done it on this very thread by claiming to be a friend of Robert Abalos and he does it on his website.

Want proof?

Look up his investinginland site on this site: archive(dot)org . Replace the word dot with a . since I can't type a URL in this post. See where it says "Waybackmachine" put his website address in there. This is a fantastic site, it recreates exact versions of any website url you type in as it appeared a month, a year, or several years ago and catalogs the evolution of a site. Two things you should look at when you load up the catalog of his site:

First, look at Robert Abalos's "bio" when he first launched the site. Then compare it to the new bio that was written towards the end of 2003. For that matter you should compare it to whatever is there now, I'm sure it's been further embelished.

Here are two snippets from each version from the archive site:

November 16, 2002:
"My name is Robert Abalos and I've been a practicing real estate attorney and land investor for seventeen years."

"I maintain a law office near Richmond, Virginia but these days my practice is mostly closed to new clients (I have to be inspired by the client or the potential profits to take on a new one!) since my existing ones keep my fairly busy and I'm also occupied with my own projects like finding new pieces of land to buy and develop, writing this course, speaking to groups on land investing issues, writing articles, and other personal endeavors."

Now this is his bio just one year later, the archive date is December 4, 2003 :

"My name is Robert J. Abalos and I've been a practicing real estate attorney and real estate and land investor for twenty two years."

"Over the years I have become one of America's most well-known writers and lecturers on the subject of land investing and real estate development. I have been quoted in FORTUNE magazine on the subject of buying land in rural areas, interviewed by reporters from CNN, the Associated Press, and many other international publications. My articles and comments have been published in a wide variety of trade and specialty publications."

"I am Chief Executive Officer and founder of Terra Realty International LLC, an international real estate investment and development company with equity interests in hotel, resort, office, retail, and residential properties in the United States, Canada, Europe, the Middle East, Africa, South America, and Asia. My company also holds substantial equity interests in major publicly traded corporations, real estate investment trusts, and other real estate related debt and equity issues."

Notice the slight differences between these 2 bios????

Now if want proof that he's selling non existent seminars, look at his schedule of seminars that appear on the 2004 versions of his site.

The first thing you should notice is that the list of seminars at the beginning of the year is totally different than the list he has up there later in the year in 2004. He mysteriously overhauled the entire list and put in a new series of seminars with different locations and dates.

Regardless, none of those seminars ever happened. Anyone can call the hotels on that list and find out that no one at the hotel ever heard of Robert Abalos and no seminars were ever held in 2004 at these venues. Here is the list with locations and dates that is posted on the May 20, 2004 version of his site:

July 10-11: Seattle, WA W Seattle Hotel

July 17-18: San Francisco, CA W San Francisco Hotel

July 23-24: Sao Paulo, Brazil (Private Seminar)

July 31-August 1: Boston, MA Four Seasons Hotel

August 7-8: Atlanta, GA Four Seasons Hotel

August 14-15: Houston, TX Four Seasons Hotel

August 21-22: Los Angeles, CA Four Seasons Hotel

August 28-29: Honolulu, HI W Diamond Head Hotel

September 11-12: New York, NY Four Seasons Hotel

October 2-3: Chicago, IL W Lakeshore Hotel

More concrete evidence that you are dealing with a con man.

Larry, you should try to get your money back while you can....

Hi, r_starr,

Yes, I see what you are talking about re: the changing bios. Extremely interesting stuff. Anything like this would be most helpful.

Investigative reporters already have links to this information, so any feedback about http://www.investinginland.com, either good or bad, would be most helpful. We're not trying to roast this guy, just to find out the truth of the matter.

Another call to everyone:

1. Has anyone ever received a copy of the Real Estate Investor Magazine?

2. Has anyone ever attended an Investing in Land Seminar

At lot of accusations have been made about this guy. It would be nice to know definitivily if this is actually a legit business or not.

There is another thread here about this you may be interested in -

http://www.thecreativeinvestor.com/residential/ViewTopic47096-19-16.html



[ Edited by larrylef on Date 06/19/2005 ]

Larry,

Don't worry; you are not going crazy. I have not received a single issue of Real Estate Investor Magazine yet either and I only get the runaround from Robert and/or his "staff". He has communicated with you a lot more than he has with me -- most of my emails have gone unanswered. I've asked for my first issue and I've asked for a refund, and I've received neither.

I ordered his Investing In Land book some time ago and found it interesting but riddled with so many typos and grammatical errors (I am one of the reviewers on Amazon com who indicates as such) that some passages were nonsensical. My emails with Robert have been odd to say the least and he is a bit taciturn in his responses -- that is, when you receive them.

I had high hopes for Mr. Abalos in that he was a real guy trying to do the right thing. However, at this point, I am in the same boat with you -- he has failed to deliver on his product (the magazine) and on his many promises and assurances. In short, he has failed us and now we must do what is best for us -- get our money back via chargebacks from our credit card companies and spread the word about Robert J. Abalos.

By the way, the only legitimate (living) real estate writer/guru I have found to date is John T. Reed. His work is good stuff. Perhaps his best work is his "How to Write, Publish, and Sell Your Own How-To Book". If you want to get rich, why not take his advice and sell the expertise you already have in your head via a self-published book? Real estate is too much work!

LF IN DFW


[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 06/23/2005 ]

Larry,

It's worse than that. There is no magazine. I asked John T. Reed, a proported interview subject for the first issue of Real Estate Investor Magazine, if he had ever been interviewed by Robert J. Abalos. Below is our email exchange.

LF IN DFW

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From: John T Reed
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:40 PM
To: Logan Flatt
Subject: Re: Mr. Abalos' Real Estate Investor Magazine - Dead On Arrival?


He did not interview me yet. I agreed to be interviewed. It has not happened yet.
I never had any conversations I thought were odd. There appears to be an orchestrated campaign against him by a few people so I do not know what to make of complains about him. Can’t tell which are legit and which part of the campaign.
Jack Reed

On 6/23/05 7:15 PM, "Logan Flatt" wrote:



Mr. Reed,

I note that on Mr. Robert J. Abalos' website for his Real Estate Investor Magazine (www.reinvestormagazine.com <file://www.reinvestormagazine.com> ), you are listed as subject matter for the premier issue (see below). According to the same website, this issue's publication date was March 31, 2005. I subscribed to the magazine in February 2005 for $70 per annum. It is now late June 2005 and I have yet to receive a copy of the issue. I was told by Mr. Abalos via email a month ago that I would be receiving "a replacement copy". Last week, I demanded a copy of the issue be overnighted to my home or a refund issued to me immediately. I have heard nor received anything. Now, I find out that others out on the Web are suffering the same experience (see forum postings on http://www.thecreativeinvestor.com <file://www.thecreativeinvestor.com> , including http://www.thecreativeinvestor.com/commercial/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&mode=viewtopic&topic=46676&forum=26&start=15 ).

Some questions for you, if you would please consider them:

1. Did Mr. Abalos really interview you for his magazine as he says he did below?

2. Have you ever received a copy of this magazine?

3. Have you ever had any conversations with Mr. Abalos that you thought were "odd"?

4. Have you ever received any complaints about Mr. Abalos in response to your "I recommend" guru status for him on your website?

I would greatly appreciate any insights or opinions you might have on this matter.

PS - I highly enjoyed your "How to Write, Publish, and Sell Your Own How-To Book" book!

Respectfully,

Logan.

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http://www.reinvestormagazine.com/current_issue.htm

OUR PREMIER ISSUE, VOLUME 1, ISSUE 1
Subjects Include All the Following:
An interview with real estate author John T. Reed
Sometimes controversial but always informative veteran real estate author John T. Reed discusses the real estate information industry, how he recommends investors really should make money in rental real estate, and his recent legal troubles with a famous real estate guru. Reed is publisher of the influential Real Estate Investor's Monthly Newsletter and writer of more than twenty real estate books. As a real estate investor with more than 23 years of experience, he has a lot to say and says it his unique way. A visit to his website at http://www.johntreed.com and his guru rating page is a must.




[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 06/26/2005 ]

Well, there we go. We've been played the fool. Mr. Abalos now has a new reputation for the world to know.



[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 07/07/2005 ]

First of all, if you haven't read Mr. Abalos's response to some of this thread, please read it here;

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/investinginlandgroup/message/219

An Open Letter to Mr. Abalos,

Why are you focusing only on Mr. Bronchick's remarks? In case you haven't noticed, this thread was started and sustained by your own customers, people who bought things from you, paid you, but you didn't deliver. If you would have sent the magazine, I would have never come here to participate in this discussion.

Why aren't you focusing on the important questions - such as;

1. Has the first issue of the magazine ever been published? What proof can you offer the paying customers who haven't received it that you haven't been making false representations to us for the last 3 months?
2. If so, what is in the first issue of the magazine? Since we now know for sure that the two headliner interviews never occurred, what has replaced them?
3. Why does your magazine website (http://www.reinvestormagazine.com/current_issue.htm) still claim that the first issue contains the interviews with Mr. Reed and Mr. Mencarow when we all know that they were never done? Isn't that false advertising and a willfull misrepresentation of the product?

So, if you want to spend your spare time having a War of the Real Estate Gurus, enjoy yourself - everyone needs a hobby. However, during business hours, you should focus on sending products to customers, at least judging by the bulk of complaints that appear here.

Also, let me clear one thing up once and for all - I AM NOT A SHILL FOR YOUR COMPETITORS - just your paying customer. Maybe you ARE surrounded by paid people trying to get you, but I'm not one of them. My complaints here are a direct result of your own inaction. When you make such claims against the very people who have supported you by buying your products... well does any more need to be said?




[ Edited by larrylef on Date 06/27/2005 ]

I found this part of his pious retort to the other guru laughable:

"You don't earn respect with anyone by slash-and-burn attacks against those who disagree with you...You do it by proving to those who are your most violent and vocal opponents that they were wrong."

OK, Mr. Robert J. Abalos, know this: you have failed to earn the respect of your paying customers by not providing products, refunds, or constructive customer support. Your latest email newsletter doesn't help us at all because you state assurances and promises, but we've heard all that before and we get nothing in return. PROVE to me and your other paying customers on this board and elsewhere that we are wrong about you. PROVE to us that you are a professional who is honest and willing to do the right thing. Either send us your products or our refunds THIS WEEK. Cut out all the game playing and PROVE to us that you can do it. We all anxiously await your display of personal and professional integrity.

Sincerely,

Logan G. Flatt
Dallas, TX

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July 7, 2005 UPDATE: As expected, Robert J. Abalos failed to display any personal or professional integrity in response to the above.


[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 07/07/2005 ]

It's impossible to argue with the facts already posted here which is why Abalos will probably obsessively lurk but not post under his own name to avoid any direct confrontation with any of us.

I'm sure he's losing sleep now that this thread comes up on Google when you type in his name

Since he's even been exposed as an unlicensed and suspended non-practicing attorney he can't even come here and threaten frivilous civil lawsuits against everyone for libel and slander without being laughed at

If anyone has any proof that the "world famous real estate investor" Robert J Abalos, an unmarried man, who resides in Washington state, has ever done any kind of real estate transaction whether for personal or investment purposes or currently owns any kind of assets of any worth whatsoever (car, boat, etc) in his name or his associated company(s) name(s)- I would appreciate a link or two to the counties where these records exist.

Not only is his mom and pop business actively participating in fraud but so is persona of the man himself

Lets see.........
One that does not directly answer your question,
Will avoid or change the issue,
Will accuse those that attack him as being liars etc.
Will duck and hide when it gets hot..............

Well ladies and gentlmen, what we are looking at is
a future politician.

NC_Yank

There are many recent complaints compiled here and there is also massive negative feedback recorded at the Amazon store dating back to 2002. If these complaints were caused by business problems (growth, mismanagement, incompetence) there have been several years now to correct them.

I would recommend that if you have not received product or refund from any of Mr. Abalos's companies, or are getting the doubletalk runaround via email, that you make a complaint to the Office of the Attorney General of Washington State, right here;

http://www.atg.wa.gov/consumer/complain.shtml



[ Edited by larrylef on Date 06/29/2005 ]

Thanks Larry, I will do so this weekend after I see if Robert J. Abalos responds to my challenge above. My hopes aren't very high based on his track record.

Logan.

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July 7, 2005 UPDATE: As expected, Robert J. Abalos failed to display any personal or professional integrity in response to the above. I will now contact the Attorney General in Washington State.



[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 07/07/2005 ]

Yet another email I got from an unhappy Robert J. Abalos/Investinginland customer. Note the typical complaint, the one we are seeing OVER AND OVER.

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-----Original Message-----
From: XXX [mailto:xxxxxx@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:45 PM
Subject: Mark, Abalos Burned me too!!!
Hi XXX,

I saw your emails with Abalos via Bill B's posting on the creative investor. I don't have an account with the creative investor so I could not join in and post but was wondering if you could email this to him and wanted you to know that if there is anything that I can do to help you track this crook down please do not hesitate to contact me . I ordered books from Abalos too some time ago and even got him to call me. He left a threatening phone call with I played for my local police.

[ Edited by BillBronchick on Date 07/09/2005 ]

Robert Abalos is violating state/federal collection laws with these types of threatening emails. They're legit grounds for a civil lawsuit to be filed against him by the recipients. This guy is trying to bully people around hoping they will cave in. You should ignore him but keep the emails in case you can use them as evidence against him one day. Too bad he's NOT an attorney or you could forward these to the bar association he was a member of and demand that action be taken against him.

One can sue the guy but unfortunately there's nothing monitarily worth suing him for, the con man doesn't have any assets - nada. He would probably pick up and move to another state like he did last year anyway. You have to believe he lives in total fear and paranoia.

[ Edited by r_starr on Date 06/29/2005 ]

[ Edited by r_starr on Date 06/29/2005 ]

[ Edited by NancyChadwick on Date 06/29/2005 ]

Absolutelly right!

Gentlemen,
I just had to delete a post to this thread. Some of the mods have wanted to shut this thread down but we have kept it open in light of the abundance of evidence that has been displayed. If any future posts are added to this thread let us make sure it is short, to the point, pertient and new information, and not an attack. Facts have the wonderful ability to speak for themselves. There is no need to beat a dead horse.

Thanks

It was my post that was deleted. I was simply trying to relay new and insightful information to everyone here that you need not use the WaybackMachine to see that a "Tom Porchello" on Amazon seems like Robert J. Abalos. Check out the current "Wish List" for "Tom Porchello" -- it says "Terra Trust".

Thanks,

Logan.

OK, I want to say something here about Robert J. Abalos.

Whenever he would send out one of his email newsletters, I would read them carefully. I also checked his sites for new content at least once every other day. Often, I would catch an error here or there and I'd write to him about it or just send him an email saying "Excellent article!" or some such. Frequently, he would reply and we'd have a good intellectual debate back and forth via email about the subject matter at hand. Based on all of our shared experiences noted above, I went back through all of my emails that I have exchanged with him since 2003, and you know what? He is definitely very smart and knowledgeable about investing. He knows a lot about real estate, equities, and options, from what I can tell -- and I know quite a lot about them myself, certainly more than the average bear.

Robert J. Abalos knows what he is talking about most of the time. He seems to me to be a rather well-educated and sophisticated investor, unlike many of the other real estate gurus. Many of them appear to be blue-collar guys who grew up on the streets, didn't go to college, but figured out that you could make good money with the most basic information about real estate investing if you just sell people the dream of making money and living large, motivate them and get them all excited, but you needn't show them exactly how to invest successfully or even how to make money. Just develop a cult of personality, that's what's important, not actually adding value as a true, sophisticated investor. But, most of the articles on Abalos' websites and in his email newsletters are informative and well-written. He is indeed providing valuable information to the public for FREE -- when and how he wants to. In short, I think Abalos WANTS to provide value to the world at large and is trying to do so each week in his published writings.

So, why the atrocious customer service? Why the non-delivery of products? Why the lack of refunds demanded? Why the non-publication of Real Estate Investor Magazine? Why the sometimes brusque communications with his customers? Why the bizarre excuses for cancelling seminars at the last minute? Why such abnormal business behavior?

It's indeed baffling. I'm no psychologist, so I can only theorize about this type of behavior from an uneducated perspective. Here's some total guess-theories:

1. He's an eccentric antisocial and interpersonal skills are not his forte, so he's gotten tired of all of his customer complaints and he's just said "screw them, I am going to run my business my way and on my own terms and all those people out there complaining (i.e., his paying customers) can just wait until I'm good and ready to get my orders out or to get my magazine published"

OR

2. He's a former attorney and former financial analyst, but not really a businessman who knows how to run and grow a real business -- he's overwhelmed with all of the orders for the products and doesn't know how to scale the business beyond himself and so the orders slip and he gets further and further behind; he's drowning and doesn't know what to do or how to get the business back to 'normalcy' with the level of customer service that customers like us expect

OR

3. He's extremely intelligent, sophisticated, and knowledgeable, but has a character flaw of some sort; he has personal demons or weaknesses that make him behave the way he does (i.e., taking money without delivering products for which the money was sent him); he knows internally he should be sending us all product but he cannot help himself and just wants to focus on all the money he's making and the fame he's garnering; when someone points out his flaw, he lashes out at that person out of embarrassment or perhaps delusion; this makes him paranoid and it all becomes a viscious, self-fulfilling prophecy where people ARE indeed out to get him

Like I said, these are just three guess-theories, but I think any one of them could explain his situation based on the observations we have all made about his business practices and, sometimes, personal behaviors.

Sadly, there is only one conclusion that we as consumers of his intelligent & sophisticated knowledge-products can reach: enjoy all the information and insights that he freely shares at his websites and in his email newsletters, but don't take a risk on his payment-only products -- you may never receive them due to one of the guess-theories above or due to who knows whatever reasons? Only Robert J. Abalos knows those reasons. Maybe we should just keep it that way, keep our money to ourselves, and only partake in his free content from here on out. Right now, it seems to be the only rational thing to do.

Anyone have other thoughts?

The moderators have discussed this post at great length and we have allowed this post to stand.............however we must still keep to the forum rules.

I whole heartedly advise some to refresh their memories about such...............which includes putting in telephone numbers, personal info and email addresses in a post.

I do believe that much of this is an inadvertent error from copying and pasting, however it does make our jobs harder when we have to go back and continually edit out sections of posts.

I have edited a few, however I would appreciate that any post you participated in be checked and edited as necessary to keep to the forum rules.

thank you

NC_Yank

[quote]
On 2005-06-30 03:07, LFINDFW wrote:
[quote]
For proof that Terra Realty International LLC filed with the secretary of state on 6/18/04 please click on this link:

<!-- BBCode auto-link start --><a href="http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?name=TERRA+REALTY+INTERNATIONAL+LLC&ubi=602406168" target='_blank'>http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?name=TERRA+REALTY+INTERNATIONAL+LLC&ubi=602406168</a><!-- BBCode auto-link end -->

Good link. Notice his business license expires today and has not been renewed. So maybe he's on the run again.

IMO, there's no need to debate what's going on with this character, the various links and comments here paint a very well rounded picture of the criminal activity he's consciously taking part in.

The link to this post will always show up in Google and potential customers can decide how to act based on what's presented here.


[ Edited by r_starr on Date 06/30/2005 ]

For those of you still looking for a copy of the first issue of Real Estate Investor Magazine, I have some new and insightful information for you. You apparently did not receive your issue due to problems with industrial adhesives. Please see the note that the magazine's publisher, Robert J. Abalos, has distributed via the Web to his paying subscribers:

http://www.reinvestormagazine.com/special_issue.htm

Thanks,

Logan.

Yeah, the last blog entry was June 22, 2005. I guess he's been "too busy" hanging out at Russ Whitney seminars to do what he promised his customers he would do and contribute to his blog daily. We apparently cannot believe a word this man says -- he has proved it time and time again. If you think for a second that the "second issue" will published at all or that we will ever receive our refunds voluntarily from him, I have some swamp land in Arizona I'd like to sell you.

Logan.

No, I have never seen a copy of the journal and I thank the Real Estate Gods every day that I never sent $495 to Robert J. Abalos! I'd be the poorer for it.

You know, he says on his website that he sent so many promo and review copies of the first issue of Real Estate Investor Magazine out to the industry that he didn't have any more issues to send to the paying customers who had their copies go missing in the U.S. mails. Well, I will pay any one person (other than Mr. Abalos) $25.00 if he or she can point us all to an independent review of the first issue of Real Estate Investor Magazine on a website, in a magazine, in a newspaper, or in any other medium. Surely, if he sent out so many copies, someone would have critiqued it in a real estate column or article in some other publication. Particularly if was as good as he says it is. Or, if you are the writer of a real estate column or article or even just a lowly paying subscriber and you actually received an honest-to-goodness copy of the first issue from Mr. Abalos, I'll pay you $50.00 for your USED copy of the issue. Talk about a nice ROI -- Mr. Abalos says the news stand price for each issue is $20.00 -- you'll make a 150% ROI flipping the issue to me!

Certainly such a generous offer such as mine will bring some of the EXTREMELY RARE copies of the first issue out of the woodworks, don't y'all think? Anyone? Hello? Echo . . . echo . . . <sounds of crickets in background>.

Logan.

It appears Abalos has started his own forum because it's the only place where "guru shills" can't attack him:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/reinvestormagazine/

Maybe as a paid customer of his, you could post a few polite Q's about the magazine, why the 1st issue never came, why the second issue is late, despite a large budget of 3340 "allegedly" paid subscribers @ $70.

Let's see if he removes it?

I'm way ahead of you on that one. As soon as he announced the new forum, I posted just such a message to him. Of course, he moderated it away and never posted it or answered it. He even took a step further and removed me from his email list!

He talks tough in his writings, but clearly we are dealing with a wimpy, wimpy man.


[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 07/07/2005 ]

Not only that, but your review of his book on Amazon has mysteriously disappeared! Note it says "7 reviews" and only 6 appear.

It's pretty easy to get a review removed if you are the publisher. I know... Abalos wrote a scathing personal attack on me on Amazon. My publisher called Amazon and they removed it immediately.

Actually, I deleted my own review. I decided that I could not endorse Mr. Abalos anymore. I do not want to be responsible for influencing someone to purchase his book or other items only to have Abalos rip them off like he has done me and so many others. Unlike him, I just wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I may have contributed to fraud. Apparently, he sleeps like a baby -- on Vicodin.

Logan.

Another address easily found on the Internet from www.networksolutions.com for Robert J. Abalos in Seattle, Washington is:

Robert J. Abalos
Harbor Steps Apartments
1200 Western Avenue, Apartment 1520
Seattle, Washington 98101

http://www.harborsteps.com/main.htm

***UPDATE: ROBERT ABALOS EVICTED FROM HARBOR STEPS APARTMENTS ON JANUARY 11, 2005 BY SEATTLE JUDGE***


[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 10/17/2005 ]

It's obvious that the "world famous" Robert Abalos is just a small time operation. A phone service takes orders for Robert to ship, and I'd guess that he gets the orders at his apartment, sends them out, and when things go wrong, he just ignores the complaints because he has no staff to call people back. That's bad service, and if you do it enough times, you get a bad reputation with the Better Business Bureau - check for yourself: www.BBBonline.org has multiple complaints and he's only been in business a year.


[ Edited by BillBronchick on Date 07/25/2005 ]

ok,
I am getting tired of deleting posts in this thread. I really have better things to do with my time. I think we stopped having any real information about this situation quite some time ago and it is reaching a point where if things don't improve the thread will be locked; not locked to protect anyone, but locked b/c this dead horse just keeps getting beat and posts I am having to delete are crossing the line of professionalism. Please consider what you say and why you are saying before posting more in this thread. Obviously I did a good bit of research personally but really, the posts I am deleting are over the line and it is getting old.

AMEN

(Now let's pass the plate ................)


NC

As of June 2005, Abalos has been suspended from the Virginia bar for non payment of fees or non-compliance with continuing legal education requirements:

http://www.vsb.org/membership/suspensions.html

Also, I contacted the Hotel Bel Air where Abalos claims to be doing a sold out seminar in August, and they told me nothing was booked.

I spoke with the Washington Attorney General's office and they suggested that the people who did not get refunds for his other cancelled seminars should file a complaint online with the WA State Attorney General's office:

http://www.atg.wa.gov/consumer/forms/

[ Edited by BillBronchick on Date 07/25/2005 ]

John T. Reed has updated his site with new content about his recommendation of Robert J. Abalos. Apparently, Jack believes in Robert:

http://www.johntreed.com/Reedgururating.html

As I have noted above, I find Robert J. Abalos' book Investing In Land and his other writings on his websites to be generally good. I encourage folks to read them. However, all I can report is my own personal experience with RJA and his "Real Estate Investor Magazine" -- I am still out $70 and have no product or refund from RJA to show for it.

Logan.


[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 07/27/2005 ]

Logan, any new information on the reprinting of the supposed magazine???
<BR>
<BR>John Reed is correct, it's very easy to expose Robert Abalos as a scammer. There is no record of him ever holding a seminar, anywhere. Robert Abalos and his
<BR>"supporters" who posted here couldn't provide any information to the contrary. Anyone who picks up the phone and tries to check past seminar dates and locations will see none of these seminars ever happened. As for complaints about not receiving product there are enough of these online to create the seed of doubt in anyone's mind who wants to buy something from Abalos' website. I see no reason why any of us would waste the time to post negative criticism about someone if there wasn't truth behind it.
<BR>I can't speak for others here, but the only person I've ever called a con man whether online or not is "Robert Abalos" and in this case the shoe definitely fits.
<BR>
<BR>Btw, while I don't know anything about John Reed I have to wonder what motivates him to support Abalos when Robert Abalos continues to charge people for a subscription to a magazine (that apparently he never published) that had an interview with John Reed (an interview that never occurred). Does Reed have a business or personal relationship with Robert Abalos that we need to know about?
<BR>
<BR>Aside from postings online, there are also publicly filed complaints against him and his company with the Better Business Bureau and the Washington State Attorney General. I also know there are complaints filed against him with bar associations he used to belong to and with the US Postal Service. You can't just fabricate these complaints, you have to provide detailed information about your purchase, complaint, and about yourself.
<BR>
<BR>Anyway, like I said. Robert Abalos is small pototoes. There aren't many land investors out there, nothing like the number of folks buying improved real estate. I really doubt he can support much of a living off of what he does, which probably explains why he's keeping money sent to him while continuing to push fictitious products and seminars. He needs to pay the rent some way.
<BR>
<BR>Robert Abalos has obviously read this thread and clearly has had adequate opportunity to debate any claims made here but he's been a no show. He's chosen to not post here because he knows he's cornered. Its in his best interest to post on this thread because searches on Google have to account for how people find his site and not from a mention from John Reed's website. And his thread comes up on the first page when you search his name. I'm going to assume he's made vigilant attempts to have this thread deleted in fact. Maybe the moderators can shed some light here.
<BR>
<BR>The great thing is you have a thread like this one that comes up on the first page of Google so let the public decide for themselves. Kudos to the moderators here for letting it stand. Like woodsong said, the truth has a wonderful way<BR>
<BR>Good luck with getting your $70 back Logan.
<BR> <BR><BR>[ Edited by r_starr on Date 07/27/2005 ]

[ Edited by r_starr on Date 10/20/2005 ]

Thank you Mr. Not Ronald Starr.

I'm a bit dumbfounded by Mr. Reed's support of Mr. Abalos as well. I don't believe they have any kind of business relationship -- Reed seems to like going it alone. I just think Reed's seen a lot of unethical shill-dissing of specific real estate gurus over his tenure in the field, and feels that we are simply repeating that process when it comes to Abalos. However, I have absolutely nothing to gain from sitting here contributing to this thread that questions Mr. Abalos' integrity -- I am simply here because I am $70 in the hole and I have never been ripped off before! I have never had anyone take my money and then not deliver the product or refuse to issue me a refund in all of my life. That's why I'm here -- I'm simply dumbstruck because it appears that I've been conned. I like to think that I'm smarter than that; but, Abalos appears to put on a very clever and sophisticated facade or he simply just doesn't give a flying turd about his reputation in the marketplace. I'm just not used to that in business -- most of the people I've dealt with have been good people who's currency in the marketplace is their solid reputation. Then again, Abalos has been trained as a trial lawyer, not as a businessman, so his transaction ethics may very well be foreign to me.

Net/net: I know I won't ever get my $70 back from Abalos voluntarily. He's going to have to give it back to me involuntarily one day, I'm sure; that is, if he has any assets whatsoever that the bankruptcy judge can spread across all of his trade creditors when that day comes. We'll just have to wait and see. He'll implode some day. Con men rarely get away scott-free. Their arrogance usually catches up to them in the end.

Patience.

I'm not sure I agree with everything you say above, r_starr, but I do agree that Abalos is relatively small fry. Here's an interesting comparison of Abalos's traffic at www.investinginland.com versus Reed's traffic at www.johntreed.com:

http://tinyurl.com/cubxd

Clearly, Reed is more "big time" than Abalos.

In one of his books, Reed intimates that he makes a nice six figure income each year from his book sales. He only sells his books from his website. Based on traffic numbers alone, we must infer that Abalos makes far less from his website. So, even if he doesn't send out his products and just keeps the money, he's not keeping all that much.

I also like the one, solitary, five-star review on www.Alexa.com for www.investinginland.com and the "famous real estate attorney and investor Robert J. Abalos." The review sounds so eerily familiar...

Hello

My name is Brandon, I'm in Dallas, Texas as well. We seem to like Robert for some reason there are lots of posters here from Dallas.

Reading through the posts on this thread I had to laugh.

Exact same thing happened to me:

1) Signed up for Houston Seminar. Paid $750, a "discounted" price.

2) 1 week before the March 19-20th seminar, it was canceled due to a "death in the family"

3) He said it would be rescheduled for June

4) 1 week before the June seminar, I emailed him asking for details. This time it was canceled for "security reasons".

He promised a full refund and a DETAILED letter explaining exactly what circumstances had occurred.

No refund. No letter. Have to email him 5 times just to get 1 response back.

Oh, and before this, I ordered his book. I also had to basically threaten a chargeback on my credit card before he would send me a copy of his book. He said the first one he sent must be lost. It took me over 2 months to get his book, which I thought was very good. I signed up for the seminar because of his book.

I filed a complaint with the Washington State Attorney General tonight. I encourage you all to do so as well. As I first purchased this seminar back in November, I'm sure it's too late to get my money back from the credit card company. I will fight this every other way I can, including with attorneys on the basis of principle.

You can't just steal from people!!

Has anyone heard of a class action lawsuit against this guy that is pending? If there is one pending let me know so I can join as a plaintiff.

I'm looking into filing a class action if one is not already pending, since it would cost more than what the seminar cost just in legal fees to fight this. I'm consulting a lawyer tomorrow, email me **Please See My Profile** if you are interested in joining me.

Hello

My name is Brandon, I'm in Dallas, Texas as well. We seem to like Robert for some reason there are lots of posters here from Dallas.

Reading through the posts on this thread I had to laugh.

Exact same thing happened to me:

1) Signed up for Houston Seminar. Paid $750, a "discounted" price.

2) 1 week before the March 19-20th seminar, it was canceled due to a "death in the family"

3) He said it would be rescheduled for June

4) 1 week before the June seminar, I emailed him asking for details. This time it was canceled for "security reasons".

He promised a full refund and a DETAILED letter explaining exactly what circumstances had occurred.

No refund. No letter. Have to email him 5 times just to get 1 response back.

Oh, and before this, I ordered his book. I also had to basically threaten a chargeback on my credit card before he would send me a copy of his book. He said the first one he sent must be lost. It took me over 2 months to get his book, which I thought was very good. I signed up for the seminar because of his book.

I filed a complaint with the Washington State Attorney General tonight. I encourage you all to do so as well. As I first purchased this seminar back in November, I'm sure it's too late to get my money back from the credit card company. I will fight this every other way I can, including with attorneys on the basis of principle.

You can't just steal from people!!

Has anyone heard of a class action lawsuit against this guy that is pending? If there is one pending let me know so I can join as a plaintiff.

I'm looking into filing a class action if one is not already pending, since it would cost more than what the seminar cost just in legal fees to fight this. I'm consulting a lawyer tomorrow, email me **Please See My Profile** if you are interested in joining me.

Thanks for the heads up. Are there any good resources out there about land optioning & development? Some of his articles seemed to make some sense to me.

I, too, am baffled by John Reed's explanation that "Abalos can't be a scam artist because it's too obvious."

OK, I guess then everyone would have to be in cohoots - Amazon, Ebay, the BBB, everyone on this thread, all the hotel workers who won't admit he had a seminar, the US Postal inspectors who pulled the labels off his magazines, the website hosts that booted Abalos off, and all the people who emailed me with the EXACT SAME stories about paying for a seminar that was cancelled at the last minute because of "securities reasons." And, I guess the emails that were shown to me with Abalos' own words were created by the Yahoo Mail conspiracy people, too.

Folks, it's August 1, 2005. That means at most 30 more days until the special double issue of Real Estate Investor Magazine will be on its way to its paying subscribers. According to the publisher, Robert J. Abalos, himself at http://www.reinvestormagazine.com/special_issue.htm :

"I've decided to reprint the entire first issue into the second. This way everyone who has subscribed through the issue date will have a copy of both and each issue will be exactly as I wanted it.

Our target date on this special issue is August 31, 2005. We are going to try to shoot for a sooner release but we won't go past that date in any case."

So, we have Mr. Abalos' word in print that he won't let the publication date go past August 31, 2005. Let's see if Mr. Abalos can deliver on his word.

Logan.


[ Edited by LFINDFW on Date 08/01/2005 ]